Qantasflyer From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 396 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2262 times:
Thats great news, i totally forgot about that! QF offer a great product and will surely please its passengers on the route! Its great to see QF adding all these new destinations.
Regards Qantasflyer
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Flying-B773 From Singapore, joined Apr 2001, 379 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2249 times:
Its good to hear that QF is starting Bombay Again.... but well, hope that QF can bring back the daily turn around to bom via sin again..... sin-india flights are so packed, and the more carriers the better..... and also need more QF aircrafts in singapore... miss the good old glory days in Sin... anyway how long will the flight time be syd-bom? and is only 1 aircraft required for the route?
Qantaspower From Australia, joined Aug 2002, 516 posts, RR: 6 Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2219 times:
Yes only 1 aircraft is required as it is 3 x weekly. However QF intend to increase to 5 x weekly in the medium term and hence 2 x 743's will be needed.
BOEING787 From India, joined May 2004, 155 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2148 times:
Here's wishing QF much success for the new flights and pray this resumption of BOM service clicks just in time for the busy summer tourist season in Australia!
I feel 4 or 5 weekly flights instead of 3 may just be a better option - at least till end Jan 2005.
Flying-B773 From Singapore, joined Apr 2001, 379 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2076 times:
i dont think QF would start a route that is so thin that 3X weekly service cant fill their aircraft..... anyway, does anyone know how was the EX QF123/124 SYD-SIN-BOM loads? especially the the Sin-BOM sectors.. they used to have 743/742/747sp/763 on the route.... and how did the morning syd-sin fare?
any1?
Gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 2446 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1760 times:
Mrniji
Do you have reason to belive that QF has lost the fifth freedom rights India - Europe, that it has held for, at least, the last 40 years? Given that the OZ-India bilateral AFAIK has never been renegotiated it seems unlikley.
GuyBetsy1 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 808 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1707 times:
There might not be enough traffic solely between SYD and BOM. An intermediate stop is required.. so even though SIN-BOM may not be feasible economically in the short term, it will generate loads and eventual revenue in the long term. Pity QF is too impatient there.
Aussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1067 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1610 times:
There is plenty of demand for Australia to India flights, however in most cases economy yields are very low due the price sensitive passengers at this end of the market.
This is why they pulled out before, good loads poor yields. However this product is non stop now so it could be different.
When we had the product launch last week, we were told loads were quite encouraging overall and particularly good in Business class. Go figure (encouraging - airline speak for not too good could be better)
As the Agreements give 2100 seats per week in each direction to QF (all of available capacity) it means QF can go to 5 times weekly whenever. But due to this meager amount of capacity it leaves little scope to fly to DEL or out of MEL etc.
Mrniji From India, joined Feb 2004, 5594 posts, RR: 56 Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1027 times:
I am particularly interested in the O&D between Perth and India, a route AI served some time ago.. does anyone have any ideas whether starting flights at PER is considered and would be economically?
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Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 9660 posts, RR: 60 Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1012 times:
It seems odd to me that an airline would choose 3x/week or 5x/week service in a B747-300 rather than daily service in a smaller aircraft. Is SYD-BOM within the range of an A330-200 or a B767-300ER? Obviously, an A340-500 or B777-200ER could serve this route. Of course, in this case QF has the B747-300s on hand with nothing much else to do.
DIJKKIJK From French Southern Territories, joined Jul 2003, 1504 posts, RR: 5 Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 967 times:
I honestly feel that a better destination for QF in India is MAA and not BOM. The movement from South India to Australia is much more than that from the rest of India, particularly BOM. There's also a sizeable movement between CMB and Australia which QF can exploit better via MAA than via BOM.
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Jasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 44 Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 951 times:
Both QF and BA certainly do have full LHR-India-Australia rights (amongst others). Qantas could, in theory, operate a SYD-BOM-LHR run, but might run into problems because the bilateral governing their ops is restricted by capacity. BA, on the other hand, face a bilateral restricted by frequency and they've maxed out on that. In addition, and I'm not 100% sure of this, but doesn't the UK-Australia JSA require they share codes on all Kangaroo routes? If this were indeed the case, then both BA and QF overstep their bounds if either one wants to operate UK-India-Australia.
That said, if they do find ways around said problems and QF can start SYD-BOM-LHR, it would be great move for almost all parties. At the moment though, I believe you can buy a combined QF/BA ticket with a free India stopover for the same price as one involving a stop in SIN or BKK.
Gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 2446 posts, RR: 3 Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 710 times:
Zvezda:
QF is only allowed 5 flights per week under the bilateral treaty, so daily service is not on. As for aircraft, as you say they have the 743 on hand and they are owned, not leased and I assume fully depricated (but just refurbished) so they are a reasonable aircraft for this route which is likley to be high volume, but low yeild. The newer 763 & 332/333 aircraft can be kept for higher yeilding routes.
Jasepl:
The JSA is NOT between UK and Australia, but between QF & BA. So they can amend it at will. (Don't know about the UK end, but in Oz, it is subject to review by the anti-trust agency NOT aviation or foregin affairs)
IIRC in the JSA code shares are subject to regulatory approval, which in this case would not be forth comming, but I don't think that would mean the service could not go ahead.
Far more relevent is the lack of slots at LHR. QF has just got things in place for 4 daily services, so I dont think any more are immediately on the cards, so to do SYD-BOM-LHR would mean switching a flight away from SIN (2 daily), BKK or HKG (the new one), which does not seem reasonable from a yeild point of view.
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